I rarely agree with anything that is said on Fox Fake News. However, Obama’s healthcare summit that was held on February 24th was truly what they termed “political theater.” It was to make it seem that Obama was Mr. Bipartisan and to justify the passing of an insurance industry bill which in no way represents real reform. Insurance companies are chomping at the bit for their paid-off Democrats to pass it in reconciliation.
I’ve discussed this in past CommonSense2 articles, but if you remember, right after Obama was elected he said single payer was off the table and presented us instead with the term ”public option.” As it turns out, that move was just to contain and keep quiet those who advocated for real reform. It worked splendidly. All we heard from the Democrats was “public option”, and yet Obama never even approached members of Congress to include it in the bills. It was never once explained exactly what a “public option” was nor did anyone tell us that it would only be available to those with no medical coverage. Nor did they tell us where the money would come from or who would benefit from the government’s largesse. Never discussed is the immoral mandate that everyone must buy insurance or they will be fined (and I assume ultimately jailed if they fail to pay the fine) which is in both the House and Senate bills – insurance companies are loving this part of the bills. It also has not been explained how the 31 million will be chosen for coverage out of the 50 million Americans who don’t have health insurance and what will happen to other 19 million.
What showed this to be pure theater was that Obama not only banned single payer/Medicare for All advocates from his summit but refused entry to any “public option” advocates as well. He is good at what he was hired to do – his rhetoric sucks Democrats in and makes them think he’s doing the right thing while sticking it to them on behalf of the insurance/pharmaceutical/military/industrial complex. It is disgusting to see how he and most of our Democratic legislators sold, and continue to sell, us down the river.
Glenn Greenwald brilliantly explains the whole scam on Democracy Now!:
Glenn Greenwald: Dems Hiding Behind Filibuster to Justify Political Inaction on Public Option (I’ve included the transcript of the healthcare discussion below)
Greenwald lays out even more fully the Democratic game in this article at Salon:
Salon.com | The Democratic Party’s deceitful game
And this: Healthcare Summit Ends in Deadlock; Single-Payer Advocates Excluded
(After nearly seven hours of televised debate, President Obama’s so-called bipartisan healthcare summit ended Thursday without any substantive agreement between Republicans and Democrats. Republican lawmakers remained staunchly opposed to using the federal government to regulate health insurance. We speak to Columbia Journalism Review contributing editor Trudy Lieberman and pediatrician Dr. Margaret Flowers of Physicians for a National Health Program. [includes rush transcript] )
Democracy Now! transcript of discussion with Glenn Greenwald 2/24/10:
JUAN GONZALEZ: President Obama is holding a bipartisan summit on healthcare today as he tries to keep his overhaul effort alive. The talks are expected to stretch on for six hours and will be televised on C-SPAN. The White House has invited twenty-two high-ranking lawmakers to the meeting at Blair House, across the street from the White House. The four topics on the agenda are revamping insurance, cost containment, expanding coverage, and the impact of healthcare legislation on deficit reduction.
The Obama administration is holding the summit amid renewed criticism over its refusal to push for a public option under healthcare reform. President Obama omitted the public option from a healthcare proposal unveiled this week.
On Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said “there isn’t enough political support” to pass a public option through Congress.
ROBERT GIBBS: We have seen, obviously, and I talked about this some yesterday, that though there are some that are supportive of this, there isn’t enough political support in a majority to get this through. The President wanted to find-took the Senate bill as the base and looks forward to discussing consensus ideas on Thursday.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Twenty-three Democratic senators have publicly signed on to supporting a public option, and the White House has been criticized for not attempting to secure the fifty votes needed for simple-majority approval through budget reconciliation.
Meanwhile, Republicans are criticizing Democrats for looking to pass the bill through reconciliation to bypass their efforts to filibuster. Speaking on Fox News, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham said it marked the end of minority rights.
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: At the end of the day, I want healthcare reform, but I want a Senate that works and slows down bad ideas and sometimes, unfortunately, good ideas. This will be the end of the minority rights in the Senate as we know it, and the casualty of this whole debate would be the loss of the United States Senate as a real viable institution. It will become the House. And no bill is worth that.
AMY GOODMAN: For more on the healthcare debate in Washington, DC, we’re joined right here in our New York studio by Glenn Greenwald, constitutional law attorney and political and legal blogger for Salon.com, author of three books. His most recent, Great American Hypocrites: Toppling the Big Myths of Republican Politics.
Welcome to Democracy Now!, Glenn.
GLENN GREENWALD: Great to be here.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you respond first to Senator Lindsey Graham?
GLENN GREENWALD: Well, the idea that reconciliation is some sort of unique or exotic instrument in the Senate is just so blatantly false, and it’s not really hard to see why that’s so. Reconciliation is nothing more than a longstanding Senate rule that allows for certain measures to pass with fifty-one votes and can bypass the filibuster.
The Republicans have used reconciliation repeatedly when they were in the majority. In fact, Judd Gregg, in 2005, went to the floor of the Senate and gave a vigorous speech attacking Democrats for the suggestion that there was something inappropriate about it. He said it was just a standard rule of the Senate, it’s nothing more than majority rule.
Many healthcare provisions in the past have been enacted through reconciliation, including COBRA and the Children’s Health Insurance Program.
So the idea that there’s something anti-democratic about passing a bill with the support of fifty-one elected senators is extraordinarily Orwellian, and the case of the Republicans’ criticism is incredibly hypocritical.
JUAN GONZALEZ: But the argument that obviously the healthcare legislation is such a huge piece of legislation and involves such a fundamental change in the way that the government provides services to the people, what about that argument that reconciliation should not be used?
GLENN GREENWALD: Well, I think there have been other examples in the past. As I said, COBRA was an extraordinarily significant change to the way in which we provide healthcare coverage, requiring employers to allow continuing coverage after employees leave or are fired. Certainly, the Children’s Health Insurance Program drastically expanded healthcare coverage in the United States. There have been enormous tax cuts for the wealthy under the Bush administration that didn’t have sixty votes, but had fifty votes, and were done through reconciliation, an extraordinary transfer of wealth in this country.
So there’s no magnitude test or any other size requirement, invented now by the Republicans, and by some Democrats, to justify avoiding reconciliation in order to bring real reform.
AMY GOODMAN: Talk about President Obama and the public option.
GLENN GREENWALD: Well, to me, the way in which the Democrats have conducted themselves concerning the public option is really quite amazing, not because of what they’ve done, but because of how blatant they’re being about it.
The public option, of course, all along was already a compromise from what most progressives wanted, who wanted single payer and were told by most Democratic politicians for a long time that single payer was the optimal course. The public option was already a means of doing nothing other than at least providing some competition to the private health insurance industry. And all year long, Democratic senators and the White House pretended that they were in favor of the public option. They kept insisting, “We’re behind the public option. We want the public option,” even though there was all sorts of evidence that the White House was secretly negotiating with the health insurance industry to make sure that it would be excluded from the final bill.
AMY GOODMAN: What kind of evidence?
GLENN GREENWALD: Well, they’re the fact that senators ended up saying that in private meetings with the White House, it was made clear to them that the public option was not something that was a priority for the White House and that they would end up happy to see it gone. Health insurance lobbyists were coming in and out of the White House. And the reason they didn’t end up vigorously opposing healthcare reform was because there would be no competition for the private health insurance industry in the form of the public option. And, of course, the final bill didn’t have a public option, and the White House did nothing to support it.
But what’s most incredible was that the excuse that they gave to progressives was that the reason that we couldn’t have a public option was because there were fifty Democratic senators, or fifty-one Democratic senators, who supported it, but there weren’t sixty, and because of the filibuster rule, sadly, the public option just couldn’t get into the bill, and there was just nothing the White House could do, as much as the President wanted that to happen.
Well, now you have a situation where everybody is talking about doing healthcare reform through reconciliation, where only fifty votes, not sixty votes, are required. And what does the President do? He immediately, when he finally unveils his first bill, excludes the public option from the bill, even as he says we’re going to use a process that will only require fifty votes. And you even saw Senator Jay Rockefeller, who spent the year pretending to be so devoted to the public option that he said he will not relent in ensuring that it gets passed, that there is no healthcare reform without a public option, now that it can actually pass and become a reality, he turns around and says, “I’m not inclined to vote for it in reconciliation.”
This is what Democrats do. They use the filibuster rule as an excuse to their supporters to justify their inaction. They’ve been doing this for years. And now that the sham is exposed, because they’re really going to pass healthcare reform with fifty votes, they just turn around and so blatantly say, “Well, actually, we’ve been telling you all year we have fifty votes for a public option. Even now that we only need fifty votes, we’re still not going to do it.” It’s really quite extraordinary.
AMY GOODMAN: I’m going to ask you about single payer, but first we’re going to break. Glenn Greenwald, constitutional law attorney and blogger at Salon.com. We’ll be back with him in a minute.
[break]
AMY GOODMAN: Our guest is Glenn Greenwald, constitutional law attorney and blogger for Salon.com.
As we talk about the healthcare debate and other issues, I want to read you a quote from Quentin Young, the national coordinator of the National Health-Physicians for a National Health Program. He was talking about the fact that PNHP was not invited to this bipartisan healthcare summit. He said in this quote, “Similarly, requests from Reps. Dennis Kucinich [of Ohio,] Anthony Weiner of New York and Peter Welch of Vermont that single-payer advocates be included in the meeting have apparently gone unanswered.”
There is a lot of hoopla over this being bipartisan. That isn’t to be confused with representing different options.
GLENN GREENWALD: Well, first of all, one of the things that’s most amazing is that single payer and the public option both poll infinitely better than the healthcare bill itself, than the Senate healthcare bill that the President is advocating. And despite that, what you see all the time when they talk about bipartisanship is shifting the terms of the debate onto, essentially, the right-wing playing field to accommodate Republican views, which basically means there should be no healthcare reform, and excluding views that are to the left of anything that is essentially a conservative idea.
And so, Anthony Weiner and Dennis Kucinich have both been the leading-two of the leading participants in the healthcare debate from the very start, but because they want to move the healthcare debate into the area that’s actually popular, which is providing either single payer or at least a robust public option, they’re excluded from the start. And this is the Democratic White House excluding anything to the left of conservative ideas in defining what the scope of the debate is. And, of course, that’s something that happens in issue after issue.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Glenn, I wanted to ask you about the so-called Obama bill, because it’s really not a bill. I mean, anyone who knows in Congress, the devil is in the details of the actual legislation. And what it is is basically a set of proposals or concepts of how the Senate and the House bill could be reconciled, but it’s not actually a bill that people can pore over and say, “OK, this is really what you stand for.”
GLENN GREENWALD: No, that’s true. I mean, a real healthcare reform would be a stack of papers this high, and all of the proposals thus far have been, in order to reform the healthcare system in the United States. You actually need a bill that had many pages. The Obama proposal, which is really more accurate, as you suggest, is eleven pages long.
Really what it’s designed to do is to signal to the Republicans and to the media that the White House is receptive to doing healthcare reform along the lines of what the Republicans, or at least some Republicans, want, in order to create the appearance of bipartisanship. But you’re right. It’s still not an effort on the part of the White House to play any active role in deciding or helping to determine what the healthcare bill ought to be.

onenastybeast comments:
Only a frothing-at-the-mouth extremist liberal can characterize a tax cut as a “an extraordinary transfer of wealth.” Since when is a failure to take a transfer? Jeez. And you wonder why your views don’t command close to a majority in this country!
Stefan Kosikowski comments:
conservative = selfish, greedy, I got mine, F-U!!!
conservative Christian = oxymoron
Dorothy Reilly comments:
You go Stefan!!!!!
Liberals and atheists smarter? Intelligent people have values …
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=liberals+and+atheists+smarter%3F&btnG=Google+Search
Dorothy Reilly comments:
sorry – didn’t include the whole title…
Liberals and Atheists Smarter? Intelligent People Have Values Novel in Human Evolutionary History, Study Finds
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=liberals+and+atheists+smarter%3F&btnG=Google+Search
callmeslick comments:
onenastybeast writes:”Only a frothing-at-the-mouth extremist liberal can characterize a tax cut as a “an extraordinary transfer of wealth.” Since when is a failure to take a transfer?”
because, what was actually done wasn’t so much as a tax cut, but a rearrangement of taxation.
Costs were not reduced, the expenses just went from the Feds to the States, many of whom run on Sales taxation. Hence, when Bush sent the Cap gains tax down to 15% he handed a massive gift to anyone who lives on dividends and such(generally, the backbone of inherited wealth), and put the burden onto the poor and middle class,who saw local taxation and fees go up to support Federal mandates which the Federal government had less revenue to fund. Further, it started the alarming rise in deficit spending by the feds that transfers financial burdens to another whole generation. Is that explanation clear enough for you?
callmeslick comments:
oh, and go ahead and call me a ‘frothing at the mouth liberal’. Stefan will keel over and Dorothy will collapse laughing.
Stefan Kosikowski comments:
Indeed, and I concur with your taxation explaination above.
onenastybeast comments:
All you explanation amounts to is “why should I cut expenses simply because I have less revenue?” The only people an explanation like that satisfies is those who have committed to spending beyond there means.
Sorry, you are a “frothing at the mouth extremist” progressive. Dorothy can collapse laughing; she’s the one advocating lying in the streets in protest against Bush at Democratic meetings. About the only part of that I am with her on is the sentiment about her lying in the street.
callmeslick comments:
if that’s all you got from a pretty clear explanation of how reality works, I can’t help you any further. The fact is that no one had any plans to cut expenses, just revenue, from a strictly targeted income bracket. I can only assume that you were napping or on an extended voyage to another planet while the above reality unfolded. As for your thoughts about Dorothy, you’ve never proven to be terribly sympathetic, so I doubt anyone is shocked by your sentiment. And, if you think I’m some sort of extremist, you have your head up your ass to the point of kissing your own liver, and clearly have never read my exchanges with Dorothy or Stefan over the past few months here. What I am is practical, pragmatic and wishing to see this nation return to effective government. I may rail against hysterical statements and unrealistic goals from those on the left, but I have little if any respect for right wing nuts espousing lowering taxes in a time of severe deficits, who can’t bring to the table one suggestion as to how to reduce government spending that has the slightest chance of being embraced by the electorate.
onenastybeast comments:
I have read your exchanges; they are only moderate in comparison to Dorothy, but then she resides in a fairly rarified atmosphere. As for cuts, let’s begin with trying to figure out exactly where entitlements fit in Article I, section 8 of the Constitution. Then when we can’t find them because they are not there, we begin moving the federal government out of those areas. Consequently, the expenses of the Federal Government may be cut to their proper constitutional level. The states can then figure out how much of this crap they want to fund.
callmeslick comments:
Let’s start with the initial sentence of the quoted Article:”The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States”
Now, that’s pretty broad stuff. The ‘general welfare’ of the nation can be construed as pretty much anything. And, I suspect, that is exactly how it is intended. Because, those folks were bright enough to realize that any long-lasting nation was not going to remain an
agrarian, pre-industrial economic entity, with a largely homogeneous population forever.
Thus, they created a marvelous document that was designed to be changeable, flexible and grow with the nation.
So, while at no point did a document written in the late 18th century mention ‘entitlement’ programs, the general welfare of the nation can be seen to benefit from a system of social safety nets, such as has been built in more modern times. So, cuts to entitlement programs are not, in any way, necessary to cleave to the ideals of the US Constitution. As for doing things on a state to state basis, the same article you cite stresses that economic burdens must be made to be equal amongst the states whenever possible, and further, the Amendments passed post Civil War further unified the Federal pre-eminence over that of the states for many issues.
Thus, your argument falls apart, rather completely, and rather easily. I suspect, lurking behind the thrust of your last post, lies a man begrudging his role in a social compact with his fellow citizens, too stingy to part with ‘what’s his’ to help build a society with some measure of comfort for all. And that, in no way, reflects the spirit of the Constitution, the beliefs of the founders, or the nobler spirit this nation is capable of showing.
onenastybeast comments:
Here’s what James Madison, the acknowledged father of the Constitution, said: “With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”
Later, Madison added, “If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions.”
Learn some exegesis.
callmeslick comments:
actually, exegesis is exactly what we are engaged in. My view differs from yours. Are you suggesting that the Constitution should have remained, unamended, as the sole definition of Federal Law?? Maybe Madison saw it that way(I highly doubt it), but certainly Jefferson,
Hamilton and others felt far differently.
What is wrong with putting to the people which programs they wish to continue, and then doing what is needed to fund them? It is clear that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment Insurance protections all carry huge pluralities of national support. What is lacking is the will to pay for them. And, to cut taxes for the top 1% and screw everyone else as Bush did is a moral disgrace. Don’t think that this point of view is exclusively held by the poor, either. Andrew Carnegie felt that inheritance tax ought to be 90%, for instance.
The tax burden, as a percentage of income for anyone with investment income in this nation is vastly lower than the burden on the average middle-income worker, and that simply isn’t right.
I say this despite having benefitted nicely from the Bush tax cuts. They should be rescinded, with a surtax for 5 years to make up for what the treasury lost in the exercise. And, I for one would be glad to pay my end…..
callmeslick comments:
now, in citing Madison, you chose(probably consciously) the most Classically Conservative of the founders, who believed that men tended to evil when ungoverned and that while Government was needed to keep them in line, he inherently distrusted a strong government, as well.
Still, he provides one of my favorite quotes from the Founders, which I think is germane to many of the discussions I’ve had on this site:
“A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.”
Now, this really doesn’t serve any role in our debate, or in the original article by Dorothy,
but does speak to the fact that we’re all batting our heads against a wall if we think a serious level of governance is going to emerge from a nation of under-educated, easily led
fools. Madison, et al, would look at the intellect displayed by the broad mass of the American public today, and shake their collective heads in sorrow, I suspect.
Stefan Kosikowski comments:
Right On Slick!
I would add that Madison went through quite a change, from his days when he wrote the Constitution up to when he was elected President. Thomas Jefferson, who originally his mentor, despised him in the end, mainly over Madison’s change of position concerning central banks, in their time the Bank of the United States.
LT comments:
Last night on Countdown, guest host Lawrence O’Donnell had Dennis Kucinich as a guest and they discussed health care, and Kucinich said he would not vote for the current bill under any conditions.
He must have had a breakfast of waffles, because he is now for the bill.
callmeslick comments:
from AP(as I recall):– Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a fierce critic of the health care reform bill from the Democrats’ left, relented Wednesday and said he would vote for it.
The Ohio Democrat’s decision brings House Speaker Nancy Pelosi one member closer to the 216 votes she needs to pass reform.
But Kucinich is not doing it gladly, and his capitulation comes only after intense pressure from Pelosi and President Obama, who traveled to Ohio with Kucinich earlier this week.
“I have taken this fight farther than many in Congress have been willing to take it,” Kucinich said, arguing that he owed it to his constituents to push for a single-payer health-care system that ends the power of insurance companies.
But, he said, “In the past week, it’s become clear that the vote on the final health bill will be very close.”
And he does not want to be the one who scuttles reform, even if he doesn’t think it’s good enough.
“I know I have to make a decision on the bill not as I’d like to see it, but as it is,” he said.
“After careful discussions with President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, my wife Elizabeth and close friends, I’ve decided to cast my vote in favor.”
lippythelion69 comments:
the plus side of this being passed is if down the road adding single payer or a repeal of it is watching repugs
arguing about why children, sick children, should not qualify for health insurance.
lippythelion69 comments:
“We must pass this bill. And we must use this bill as an opening toward a renewed effort for a more comprehensive approach to health care reform.”
Dennis Kucinich